31
Aug

Why We Worship A**HOLE Characters (Rick & Morty, Breaking Bad, The Punisher) – Wisecrack Edition


What’s up guys, Jared again. As I’m sure many of you are aware, there’s
been a lot of talk about a certain kind of fan who worships characters that well, shouldn’t
be worshipped. The most obvious of these is perhaps Rick
Sanchez. Now before you murder me, I’m not saying
Rick isn’t an amazing character, because he is. But even Dan Harmon has said, in the face
of people screaming at minimum wage workers at McDonalds, that the people who see Rick
as a role model are missing the point. So, like all things, I asked “Why?” Why do people worship Rick Sanchez? Love him or hate him, Rick is objectively
an asshole, and the show goes out of its way to tell us: we don’t want to be him. And it’s not just him. There are tons of amazing characters who for
lack of a better word, are assholes, and scores of people who look at them and say, “That’s
who I want to be.” Tony Montana, Walter White, Frank Castle,
and of course, Señor Sanchez. So, what’s going on here? Are we so wrapped up in the bad-assery of
Heisenberg and The Punisher that we’re ignoring the messages the shows are giving us? Well, to answer that, we’re going to have
to go back in time to study the assholes that started it all. Welcome to this Wisecrack Edition on Assholes,
The Fictional Kind. And yeah, spoilers for Rick and Morty, Breaking
Bad, and the Punisher ahead. To understand the likes of Tony Montana or
Rick Sanchez, we need to go back to the literary archetype that created them: the tragic hero. Tragic heroes, in Greek Drama, are protagonists
with a critical flaw that leads to their inevitable downfall. In other words, they were usually assholes. Those characters, along with other forms of
drama, served a specific purpose: education. Imagine: It’s Athens, fourth century BCE,
and you’re letting it all hang in a toga and generally having a pretty good time. That is, unless you’re a woman, slave, foreigner,
or Socrates, in which case, you’re kind of screwed. Except there’s only one problem in your
fancy Greek life: there aren’t any schools as we know them today. See, before the rise of the Sophists, the
Greek model of education revolved primarily around rich kids being independently educated
by a host of random teachers and older male role models. Essentially, take your average trust fund
kid of today, and but instead of all the lawyers, therapists, and personal trainers, they’ve
got their writing instructors and their mythology teachers. As a consequence of all this, education wasn’t
the prerogative of any one institution, but rather of society as a whole. In ancient Greece, and in particularly ancient
Athens, the village raises the child. Or as the poet Simonides said, “The polis
teaches the man.” So, if education is handled by the city, but
there are no schools, how do you tackle educating the male populus en masse? Through storytelling. Enter the Dionysia, essentially, Athens’ version
of SXSW. During the week-long Dionysia, Athenians would
spend all day watching multiple tragedies and comedies, before voting on which one they
liked best. But these plays were more than just the ancient
equivalents of films in the park – they were like mini moral sermons. Characters in Greek theater weren’t meant
to be realistic representations of everyday people. The actors wore stylized masks, and the characters
themselves had larger than life aspirations and flaws – often lifted straight from mythology. This was done to imbue the characters with
a greater, almost symbolic purpose. As best stated by the OG of literary theory,
Aristotle, “Character in a play is that which reveals the moral purpose of the agent.” In other words, character was the vehicle
for the moral of the story. And true to form, both ancient tragedies and
comedies focused on the consequences of its characters’ moral choices. And that’s where our asshole characters
originate from. It pretty much breaks down like this: in tragedies,
our assholes are heroes who couldn’t overcome their central moral flaw, and as a result,
met a pretty horrible fate, usually a coffin. Obsessed with gaining knowledge? Well, your quest might just lead to you banging
your mom and plucking your eyes out, like in Oedipus Rex. Meanwhile, in comedy, our assholes actually
learn from their flaws and get a pretty sweet deal – usually a wedding. Obsessed with going to war? Well, your womenfolk might decide to barricade
themselves in the Acropolis and stop putting out until you change your ways, like in Lysistrata. In essence, tragedy and comedy were two sides
of the same coin; if you’re an asshole, either succumb to your flaws and be punished,
or overcome them and be rewarded. While there are always exceptions, this has
pretty much been the go to rubric for entertainment for the last 2,000 years: assholes are punished
for being assholes or rewarded for changing. In the process, we’re handed a fairly obvious
moral lesson: don’t be like these guys. And this basic formula persists, even in shows
like Rick and Morty. But our reception of these moral messages
may have changed. For example, let’s look at Rick’s season
3 arc. By the end of Episode 1, Rick seems to have
gotten everything he wanted. After the conclusion of the first episode,
there’s no Intergalactic Federation, no Citadel of Ricks, no Jerry, no problem. “No problem.” But Rick’s fatal flaw is the very intelligence
that let him do all of this in the first place, and he’s punished for it. “You are the master of your universe, and
yet, you are dripping with rat blood and feces.” The rest of Dr. Wong’s monologue reads like
a literary analysis of his tragic flaw. “Rick, the only connection between your
unquestionable intelligence and the sickness destroying your family is that everyone in
your family, you included, use intelligence to justify sickness. You seem to alternate between viewing your
own mind as an unstoppable force and as an inescapable curse.” This is all in stark contrast to Jerry, whose
stupidity lets him find joy in everything, even a low-grade simulation. And by the end of Season 3, we see Beth, Summer,
and Morty choose Jerry over Rick for this exact reason. “Yeah, yeah, yeah. You win, Jerry. You win. No amount of genius can stop your dumb, mediocre
vacuous roots from digging into everything and everyone around you and draining them
of any ability to fend you off.” In the end, Rick’s intelligence made him,
in his words, the lowest rung of his idiot family, but that hasn’t stopped some fans
from being so unapologetically pro-Rick, and by extension pro-asshole, that Dan Harmon
pondered to GQ magazine, “Do I worry about them ruining everything? Yeah, I do.” Likewise, in Breaking Bad, we see our main
hero suffer from his inability to overcome his central flaw: pride. In the show, chemistry teacher Walter White
turns to making meth with his former student, so he can pay his hospital bills and take
care of his family. After building up a multi-million dollar empire
over five seasons, though, Walter has to square with the fact that the very pride that drove
him achieve all of this is also his biggest problem. “I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it.” In the end, Walter is punished for this pride,
and he loses the two things he started the series trying to protect: his life and his
family. As Walter Jr. powerfully tells him on the
phone in the penultimate episode: “You asshole. Why are you still alive? Why won’t you just – just die already? Just – just die.” And yeah, Walter does die in the end, but
not before a torrent of fans took to social media and called out every character who betrayed
him, including Aaron Paul, the actor who played Jesse. Fans were so in Walter’s corner that they
started calling Aaron a “f**king rat” in person, which is pretty messed up when
you consider that Walter poisoned his girlfriend’s 10-year-old son. Likewise, the Punisher, decidedly an antihero,
becomes the same monster he’s been fighting against. After he finds out his whole family had been
killed in an orchestrated hit, Frank Castle becomes a one-man death squad. But this single-minded approach also comes
at a severe cost. Aside from dealing with a heaping dose of
PTSD, Frank’s insistence on literally taking heads almost perverts the very justice he’s
striving for. As his ally in Season 1, Micro, tells him:
“Your family’s dead. Anyone that’s ever looked at you sideways,
they’re dead. And you just keep on going, huh? You just keep on going. You’re a psychopath.” Worse, Frank’s violent vigilante behavior
has become the inspiration for a domestic terrorist. “I guess they needed you gone. Too many people on your side. People like me. People who know that we have to take matters
into our own hands.” In the process, Frank becomes wrapped up in
the same senseless violence that cost his family their lives. But again, some fans don’t see how Frank
isn’t one you want to emulate. Even though the Punisher is a symbol of violence
gone too far and an inadequate justice system, his logo has repeatedly popped up on police
cars. As a result, Punisher creator Gerry Conway,
made this statement: “The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice
system, an example of social failure… Whether you think the Punisher is justified
or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal
as their symbol.” So, here’s the question, Wisecrack: if all
these asshole characters in media are getting their just desserts, then why are so many
fans worshipping them anyway? Well, we put our crack team of media experts
to work, and we decided it comes down to two things: society and psychological realism. Back in the ancient times, the unseen force
that moved people was Fate with a capital F. In ancient Greece, the Fates, or Moirai,
were the white-robed manifestations of destiny and they spent their time spinning the literal
thread of life. Everything that happened to these men and
gods was dictated by these beings. And this is one of the main forces that tragic
heroes often find themselves arrayed against. Oedipus, for example, was cast out as a baby
because the Oracle told King Laius that he would be murdered by his own son. Well, twenty years and one dead father later,
Oedipus discovers that the prophecy has indeed come true. And, hint, it’s because of his tragic flaw:
his undying quest for knowledge. Oedipus becomes the King of Thebes after solving
the Sphinx’s riddle, only to use that same intelligence to later discover that his unholy
union with his mother that ends in her suicide and him stabbing his eyes out. And this tradition of fate moving our heroes
carried on well beyond the rise and fall of ancient Athens. In MacBeth, our hero becomes a usurper due
to the prophecy of three witches, in The Master Builder, Solness falls to his death after
being wrapped up in Hilde’s questionable narrative, and in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow
is definitely the fulfillment of the prophecy of Azor Ahai. But something has happened in the last hundred
or so years: we’ve moved away from the idea of the gods controlling us like a bunch of
Sims. Instead of our tragic heroes railing against
fate, they’re mostly railing against society. And that’s the situation we see with a lot
of our favorite asshole characters in today. In Breaking Bad, Walter White isn’t punished
by the gods, but rather by a broken medical system that isn’t giving him an out. “Sometimes, I feel like I never actually
make any of my own. Choices.” In the Punisher, Frank isn’t up against
the big man in the sky, but rather a corrupt U.S. military industrial complex and an impotent
criminal justice system. Hell, even Rick isn’t a victim of fate,
but rather the idiots and bureaucrats that surround him. “They’re not robots, Rick! It’s a figure of speech, Morty. They’re bureaucrats. I don’t respect them.” In some way, we the audience can see “society”
as fate itself. Walter, with no options, has no choice but
to become Heisenberg. Frank, with no recourse to justice, and no
place in society for people who know only how to be a soldier, can only become the Punisher. But at the same time, our characters “transcend”
their “predestination.” Walter cures his cancer with drug money, in
a way that no other science teacher could, Frank Castle delivers “justice” to criminals
when society fails to do so, and Rick Sanchez solves all of his ills with portal guns and
his supergenius. The shift from fate as public enemy number
one to society goes a long way in explaining why we’re so okay with our asshole characters
today- even after they’ve been punished.While it’s easy to swallow the pill that you can’t
fight fate, because it is, by its very nature outside of your control, society isn’t. Society can be changed. And if this terrible character is chafing
against a system you hate, they become a symbol of the change you desire. There’s no incentive to worship someone
who tried to buck fate and failed, because there’s no beating fate. Period. But to worship somebody who fought an unjust
system, even though their flaws undid them?? That makes a little more sense. Sure, Frank Castle’s appetite for violence
and revenge definitely goes too far, but it’s also what allows him to stand up against an
unjust system. After all, you don’t need to go full conspiracy
theory to wonder if the military puts its own interests over that of its soldiers and
its country, or to think that veterans get a raw deal when they come home. “All I know is that we risked our lives,
and we did terrible things and it meant nothing when we got home.” Similarly, you can understand why people are
going to be in Walter’s corner, despite the bodies piling up around him. Yes, the show goes out of its way to tell
us how Walter’s pride brings his downfall, but that same pride also allowed Walter to
fight back against some serious BS. Unlike the drama of ancient times, the tragic
flaws for these characters are the engine that allows them to overcome a broken system. They’re relatable because they serve as
a perverse wish fulfillment – Hey, are you also being drowned in a sea of drudgery and
stupidity? Well, do I have a mad scientist for you. Overqualified for your job and deep in medical
debt? There’s a drug dealer that you might like
to hear about. Besides embedding a social critique in these
characters, psychological realism can help us understand our attraction to them. The greater effect of replacing fate with
society is that it helps close what writer John Gardner calls the psychic distance – essentially
the space between the reader’s thoughts and that of the characters. In ancient times, actors wore stylized masks,
spoke in high-flying verse, and were up against the gods themselves. A good method for teaching, but not exactly
the best way to have your audience relate. But in modern times, film and TV focus on
naturalism, a 1:1 replication of reality in order to optimize relatability. Our characters on the screen speak and act
like us, and the problems they face are often relatable. Even Rick, once you strip away the science
fiction, comes off like your drunk, narcissistic uncle. And to an extent, that means that we end up
rooting for the asshole and sometimes missing the larger message. Who cares that Rick is a dangerously dysfunctional
alcoholic who wakes up in a pile of his own feces, when audiences can relate to how soul
crushing it is to have all the answers and still be miserable. “Fun’s fun, but who needs it?” So what do you think, Wisecrack? Has media’s razor-sharp social commentary
ruined the tragic hero? Or are we the assholes after all? Drop us a line in the comments, and don’t
forget to check out Wix to create your own professional website for free. Click the link in the description to get started,
and as always, thanks for watching guys, peace.

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100 Comments

  • Alex The Abysskiller says:

    You forgot the sopranos

  • MoonFairy929 says:

    This is appreciated and really well done!

  • Chup Smith says:

    11:11 : Oh, if Wisecrack only had the Oracular ability to see the future, how dissapointed they would be (in the series anyway, as of this post still don't know about the books… or for that matter how the series will end, since it still has 2 episodes left).

  • Tyler Worsham says:

    I think people are just assholes and they like to idolize and imitate fictional characters whom they feel justify and rationalize their own asshole behavior.

  • RadicalxEdward says:

    I don’t think we like the bad guys so much as we like the good bad guys al la vegita in Dragonball and we get swept along with them when they become truly evil because most people see the “good guy” as whoever’s narrative they follow.

  • Mr.Jasaw says:

    Why We Worship A**HOLE Characters? start from 10:00 .. thank me later

    and I actually disagree with them but hey

  • Andson Rebello says:

    JOKER? How the hell did you miss the KING OF ASSHOLES?

  • Ethic Ethnic says:

    It also helps that Walter White, the Punisher, & Rick Sanchez are all White (males) with a cause, with guns, & take matters into their own hands against a falling society. If they had been Black or non-white, the reception wouldn't have been so warm for these characters. Cops putting the Punisher logo on their cars is the most ironic & stupid stuff I have seen. A trigger happy violent white criminal who breaks laws, yet he is a calling card for bluelivesmatter. Thus the bluelivesmatter bs yet again showing itself to be what the Blacklivesmatter movement & other people in general warned them to be. And hasn't the Punisher murdered cops as well as thugs. food for thought

  • L Lyons says:

    Because they've mastered "IDGAF"

  • sir loin says:

    an entire show – nay, a genre – based on an 'after hours' episode…

    still waiting on the zombie apokolypse

  • Otaku bala says:

    Basically Duterte mentality…

  • Neeraj U says:

    I laughed when he said John snow is Azor Ahai man GOT last season sucked

  • Osmin Gallegos says:

    We’re all assholes at some point in our lives, Jared. You know that.

  • Дмитрий Сергиенко says:

    People already said that much and I agree with them completely. Villians and antiheroes in media tend to be more powerful than heroes. More… Free

    Talk shit about Luke Skywalker – and he will most probably just swallow it
    Talk shit about Darth Vader – and he will choke you with his bare hands. Why not force choke you? Because you are such a shit under his boots you are not even worthy of force choking

  • Acris Aevum says:

    how in the world did you have a 16 minute video, and not define what asshole means to you? I mean the oxford dictionary defines it as "a stupid, irritating, or contemptible person." and your 3 examples did not fit that definition… so since you did not provide a definition and the established one doesn't fit, I have to use my own, which is anyone who is blunt about accomplishments and flaws and though not always; tends toward unfiltered interactions between others no matter if its friend or foe. in this definition is where I believe the answer is. in every 1st impression there is some level of pretending that most humans tend to do, either to fit in, or to make the other person more comfortable. so its damn refreshing when you run into someone who doesn't engage in that sort of bs; unfortunately those types also tend to be a bit more abrasive and stubborn.

  • Sydney SkinNbonE says:

    Ah wisecrack. You are consistently helpful

  • Supiragon 1998 says:

    Sometines I think it would be good to be in Rick's place for a while, because I've been pretty powerless in most of my life, while Rick has so much power.

  • lastbeer says:

    They are not assholes, they are realists.

  • Kkrypto says:

    There is not enough Nietzsche, Sartre, and Kant for what else is dignified than human freedom. Subjects decision not to bend his will like rye in the wind, not to bend despite being crushed under the cliff. To wish to suffer for his goal. To choose in spite of the world, because he has chosen to live such a project, the project of his own. Why on earth could this be appealing?

  • Brandon Murphy says:

    I know you try to get deep and use philosophy to back up your ideas, but in this it really simple. It’s funny and they say things we wish could could say without consequences.

  • DerAnanasKing says:

    its kinda funny to me whenever you introduce Wix.com, because here in germany the word, Wichsen spoken WIXxen means Fapping.
    kinda funny in a profane way.

  • Jimmy says:

    3 minutes to start the video I shit you not.

  • Ramon S says:

    Tyler Durden…?

  • punkfruit says:

    i mean, maybe you do. rick is an annoying prick, i honestly dont know how people tolerate that show

  • Avalanche 616 says:

    Better than your usual videos, but still i think you muddled the scene with the whole fate arc, and should have kept it simple.
    Back then, these were stories as to why you should never fight fate so these stories were variants of what might happen if you chose to do so.
    Assholes are wish fulfillment and they do what we can never do, or should never do.
    Assholes in stories get farther in achievement than we would ever get in real life.

  • Jonathan Barclay says:

    I'm a little disappointed there wasn't a section dedicated to Charles Barkley.

  • Ayush Verma says:

    Dr. House ,Sherlock ,

  • mike jubb says:

    The Punisher isn't a bad guy. He is emotionally scarred and scared of letting people get too close. But in the end he puts his own feeling to one side to do the right thing……. sort of.
    This description also kind of fits rick

  • J0Di WZRD says:

    I love and agree with this video except one thing, police and military aren’t using the punisher symbol because of the fictional character. They use it because of navy seal Chris Kyle and his seal team using the symbol and making it more famous. They spray painted the skull on their humvees and kits during the Iraq war. Kyle also being an objectively questionable person too for certain things.

  • Sarah Davis says:

    I'm one of those A holes. I'll admit it. I can't and I don't have to be ashamed of it. That's what I l warned from show like R&M. I learned that people making me feel bad for being smarter then them wasn't my fault. I also learned that the way to handle it is not to do what rick does. You may look at the show and see all the moronic teens running around screaming for sauce. But for me its reinforcement of what I learned watching House. I learned that when I see some one say something flipping stupid. And no one questions them. Its ok for me to strait up ask if they think anyone is dumb enough to believe that. I used to assume that there was an unwritten code everyone was using to guide there interactions. Some powerful understanding that was used to keep them from saying things they shouldn't. I'm probably a small way up the autistic spectrum. Not far, but far enough that all of you seem so weird to me. But the trueth it turned out is that your all just super blind and dumb.

    So when you see some one like Rick being an Arshole, you may just see some one getting away with stuff. But I see some one like me trying to live in a world f people that are dumb to them and whom they understand way to well. It gets very emotionally exhausting watching you lie to each other and make the same dumb mistakes day in and day out. And eventually you just need to be an arsehole to vent the frustration. So if you have one of us in your life and you want them to be nicer. The next time ones calling you out, ignore the insulting way there talking and listen to the advice. Try applying what they are trying to say to what you do. You will be amazed how well they respond to having just one person that's not, as they see it, choosing to be dumb. The sheer relief for us can completely change the way we treat everyone else.

  • Blofeld says:

    Heroes are boring, the best heroes are the ones with dark sides, ass-holish sides.

  • J Lupus says:

    Thumbnail: Why do we like a**holes?
    Me: Because they can get what they want
    Video: Because they can get what they want!
    Me: That took you 20 minutes?!

  • Mattlirious The Slayer says:

    If only Walter had some rich friends to pay for his cancer treatment… 🤔

  • G. Reilly says:

    Assholes have already won.

  • Dave Davis says:

    People like assholes because assholes get shit done. It's really that simple.

  • MrCharisma says:

    The stuff garth ennis said about the Punisher as well is very poignant. His punisher max series is a viciously depressing read that devels very deeply into the aspects you talk about. And the Punisher born run is brilliant as well

  • Titus Orelius says:

    We worship them because honesty is very rare in our societies and we are constantly hiding/masking our real selves. We don't admire Rick's monstrous actions, we admire his refusal to be dishonest and compromise when he doesn't want to. He represents power and freedom, two things many feel they do not really have in their own lives.

  • DeVinnie says:

    Before watching the video: I think "worshiping" asshole characters like Rick (and others obviously but let's face it we are all here for the Rick and Morty takes) comes not really from a place of admiration but instead from a place of seeing a piece of our own shitty selves in a character that is otherwise quite awesome (awesome not necissarily meaning 'good')

    After watching the video: idk if I got it right. I am waaaay too drunk to truly pay attention past the first 60 seconds. Oh well, better luck next time.

  • Go CPNG says:

    7:29 Quagmire's Dad

  • Ritvik Awasthi says:

    Tyler Durden.

  • Tynazia Young says:

    Goblin Slayer is an a##hole

  • 4833 4833 says:

    Frank Castle isn't an antihero. He's a serial killer with a socially acceptable criteria of victims.
    He has dreams (nightmares) of the day when there are no longer any criminals and he turns the guns on innocents.
    Also when his family is brought back to life, he flamethrowers them to continue self justifying his killing in their name.

  • Herb Quest says:

    I have a counter analysis: I think the reason why people, particularly in my generation, have an affinity toward Rick is due to video games. Take Grand Theft Auto Vice City for example. Its a simulation, just like any one of Rick's universe's it can be reset if you mess up the map with too many cheat codes and want to go back to the "normal" game simulation (e.g. flying cars, riot mode, all citizens turn into x-character, etc. paralleled with Rick ditching the Cronenberg universe, Mad Max universe, or the
    citadel of Ricks) to reset his environment much like how a GTA player would eventually reset the game and go to the default-mode of the GTA simulation after getting a chance to render the universe practically unusable via cheat codes. I think in many ways, Rick is playing the multiverse much like gamers play a simulation- he's taking the experience for a ride and experimenting with the endless possibilities; only Rick is a far more experienced gamer than Morty (who symbolizes the new GTA player that still avoids the pedestrians with high caution when racing through the streets) who is contrasted by the experienced gamer, Rick, who has no moral reservations on the nature of any given universe, just as the average GTA player habitually inherits the "don't think about it" attitude when it comes empathy for the AI characters in the game, which are mowed down without the least bit of concern or unease. Thoughts?

  • ECL28E says:

    "Yeah! I wanna be like the Punisher!"

    An army vet, suffering from crippling PTSD, dead wife and kids, can barely sleep at night? We got tons of those guys. Many of them are homeless.

    "… I just wanna shoot people and not get arrested"

  • Answering Machine says:

    One TV asshole many people worship is Dr. House including me

  • Dragonetta says:

    We?

  • Krk Patterson says:

    … say, “worship” again?

  • Le Commentateur says:

    Until our society won't be healthy, we will continue to like anti-heroes.

  • Alistair Von Zanzibar says:

    It’s simpler than that. Those characters are assholes (which repels) but they are very competent (which attracts). American society values competence over decency so we are willing to overlook character flaws, if the character displays exceptional competence. House, Rick, Heisenberg etc. imagine them incompetent.

  • Beau Chang says:

    I'm pretty sure people are too stupid and just want to replicate what they see

  • Ethan Thorpe says:

    I think another important piece of why we like these asshole characters is that we often see through their perspective, and when we don't they're the villains. In the show "You", I constantly find myself rooting for Joe as he kills and stalks people. When Paco was about to go down and find the man Joe had locked in the basement of the book store, I wasn't thinking about how that guy deserved to go free, but rather was hoping that Joe would get a way with it. To take an example from Rick and Morty, if we were to view it from the perspective of the Council of Ricks or the Galactic Federation, we would empathize with them and see Rick as a terrorist and villain.

  • Carte Izly says:

    Tyler Durden is the most known example of that effect

  • BC LR says:

    The difference in all these characters is though is punishers origin. His family. Frank castle feels like he died with his family lost

  • Anthony Da Bastard!! Magnos Polanco says:

    This is why you shouldn't join the army Kids 13:39

  • Arr Ziz says:

    Now imagine the title of the video and if all the characters had been female `_` ..

  • Riley Johnston says:

    Advertising has ruined this channel, I can't get 3 minutes into a video anyone without closing and finally unsubscribing; you my friend are the real asshole…

  • Bo Quel says:

    I mean I don’t want to start a huge argument but It sounds to me like this is an argument as to why there can be no morality without God. Just a hot take. But if the thing that is judging and filing out punishments is society then the moral system is society and so these characters shouldn’t even be tragic heroes but but rather just villains but we argue ourselves that these people are being treated unjustly. Idk I’m not as eloquent as I wish I was but I think there’s an interesting point in here.

  • FiveOClockTea says:

    Okay, I understand, that America's health system is seriously flawed, but from an outsiders perspective it also looks like most people want it that way??? Obama tried to change it, and his new health system saved quite a few lives, but still a lot of people are against it, and happy it is being demolished by trumps health system that is even worse, than the one you had before? Can somebody please explain this to me, because it honestly confuses me 🙈

  • OGHiddenpaw says:

    where the reversed leave it to Beaver, Brady Bunch, subculture that now exist. As television is trying to mimic more real life because I go to work and deal with the assholes like every day.

  • Warren's Adventures says:

    You forgot Archer!

  • Devon Collins says:

    To quote Randy

  • Devon Collins says:

    Don't be an asshole towards the people you actually love and want to love and see what we can work with from there.

  • Max Ramos says:

    I don't?

  • Guilherme Dias says:

    Predicting a lot of folks worshipping the Joker after his film is out.

  • Cherry_ Boy says:

    Honestly i dnt see hw the punisher is an asshole he kills the wrong people, i love shows where they kill the bad guys not this bullshit of daredevil.
    And i dont see how archer missed this list..lol

  • Erfan Mohajeri says:

    I fucking love this channel

  • Nori Shimogawa says:

    joseph joestar from jojo's bizarre adventures?

  • Wilder90 90 says:

    The punisher picked off this continual rapist, murders, terrorist, Who slipped through the cracks. Even though he’s not perfect as far as I’m concerned he was doing the work that needed to be done by him killing those people and him sacrificing himself he was saving others

  • Cherry_ Boy says:

    Isnt it funny that people in the rick and morty universe don't seem shocked by any of the cool things rick can do, like they are so cavalier about different realities, changing into a young body, pickle rick like the physchiatrist was like insanely okay about seeing a pickle person…lol

  • Write Bruh says:

    10:30–
    Reminds me of the world's greatest scene from a show: Vikings.
    A character speaks to a seer who can see the future:

    "You and your gods are wrong.
    You see, I guided my fate. I fashioned the course of my life and my death. Me. Not you. Not the gods. Me. It was my idea to come here to die. 'Your so-called' prophecies are dangerous. By telling her she would never have another child yet she got pregnant but then because of your words she put her unborn baby in danger, so what if she didn't hear your words? what if she thought it would have survived. She would have rested and protected it, and she would be the proud mother of a healthy child.

    You presented her a destiny, and she manifested it."

  • helen le says:

    We’re all just assholes

  • kangourouuu1 says:

    Heard that IronMan was created to be just that : an asshole that people would still like. Started in 1963 according to Wikipedia. Liking assholes is a trend that started a while ago (well, not compared to OG greeks of course^^).

  • Kyle Isbart says:

    No mention of tony soprano? Really?

  • Jarod Farrant says:

    Not even rick, bojack horsemen, and punisher don’t want to be them, I mean I love the punisher but I don’t wanna be him he’s the example of what happens in a flawed justice system the cops who failed him were ether to scared or to well paid off by gangsters. FYI punisher is still cooler then brim rick and bojack ya that’s right I said it!

  • Jarod Farrant says:

    Jerry is stupid however that isn’t why they chose him they Jerry because in the end he’s a good man with morals, intelligence wise he’s the opposite of rick but on the moral and emotional side rick is the opposite and that’s way they chose Jerry.

  • JS M says:

    I don't think this is too much of a stretch to say that this also helps to explain why people love Trump. I don't think anyone (right or left) would say he isn't an asshole. To me, he seems to be a living critique of a broken political system that's filled with bureaucrats nobody trusts anymore. Many of those who voted for him did so as a form of protest. Like many fictional characters, Trump can say pretty much whatever he wants because of his polticial office. The only recourse people have is to vote him out a few years later. Even then, he'll just go back to being a billionaire.

  • Gama G says:

    The Punisher yes, but the other are bad…

  • Shady D says:

    If you think Rick is objectively an asshole…… your missing one of the in tire points of the show.

  • Sophie Boulter says:

    Awesome videos Wisecrack, keep it up!

  • Aimless Virtue says:

    My favorite 'food for thought' channel. Y'all rule 😀

  • Fehér Tege says:

    And what about unreasonable simply just evil and selfish characters like hitmans? They are shown in a positive way in many movies and doesn't rebel of want to change something but simply does killing for a living What is the reason for the glorification of these characters?

  • Jarod Farrant says:

    Philosophy of the punisher please!

  • YoYoDrif says:

    I remember finding out that people were hating on Skyler for turning on Walt and I was like, excuse me. He lied to her face even after being called out on it, blackmailed her into laundering the drug money, and forced himself into her bed after she made it clear she was terrified of him. The misogyny has come back it such full force in recent years it's scary.

  • kap1618 says:

    I see you ignore the elephant in the room. All 3 are middle aged mid class white men doing the crimes. Would a black Walter or Punisher be beloved by the cops?

  • Alex Snappingturtle says:

    Because people are assholes

  • J Cole says:

    Sooooooo….. every human is a hypocrite in their own way?
    Is hypocrisy an inevitable part of life? I think yes.

  • Shourav Mustahsin says:

    So finally it is righteous to worship a**hole characters 😈

  • Paul Burger says:

    How do you know Walter died at the end of BB?

  • Tyler Staley says:

    This is a fascinating dive. At one point, I found myself almost obsessing over the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. There was the prim and proper individual, and then the aggressive and entirely dominating personality of his shadow.
    I was raised in a town that seemed full of polite, passive-aggressive people who can't even handle the idea of conflict out in the open, let alone saying what's actually on your mind. Then I find characters like Mr. Hyde and other villains who are able to talk blunt, get what they want, and don't let any social pressure or societal stigma stop them from doing so. Having that kind of control over one's own decisions and choices is an intoxicating draw.
    Of course, the consequences rear their ugly heads in the end. But it is still difficult to look at the 'screw what everyone says, I'm going to do what I want' model of behavior and not be a little envious of the power it can hold.

  • Lone Star says:

    I hated TV Assholes.

  • Matthew Garcia says:

    Most People don't like rick the punisher or heisenberg because they identify with their flaws. They like them because they are powerful and seemingly unstoppable. Like goku or superman.

  • Traumatized By Reality says:

    Rick is the opposite of a genius. Freedom without responsibility is stupidity and suicide. He'll be on t-shirts like Einstein because he represents the same archetype: a so-called genius completely without ethics who would gladly destroy a planet just to create some new worthless gadget that he will be celebrated for by people too dumbed-down to recognize their own destruction. Rick is worshipped by the exact same people he despises and wouldn't think twice about killing, and for this they deserve their fates.

  • otis says:

    shows don’t do enough to show that the main characters are super flawed and aren’t made to be idolized

  • Thrggee .d says:

    Walter had options with working with Grey Matter again unlike what you said. His pride is the reason he turned it down.

  • Manee Yang says:

    If you're yelling at an actor because of what their "character" did then you need to go see a head doctor because you're clearly crazy. Lol.

  • Nick Bell says:

    You forgot Tyler Durden and John Doe.

  • Peachy Notire says:

    Nobody:
    Achilles: attempts to and almost defies the Fates cause his boyfriend got killed, causing literal Gods to lose their shit

    That was completely unrelated but you mentioned the Fates

  • Maximus Saints says:

    Can you make a video focused on the concept of necessary evil. Most of these characters in this video in a way performed a type of necessary evil.

  • Banana Love says:

    Because we're all tired of being walked over and having our free-will hijacked by people that exploit us. Being an asshole allows you to stand up for yourself, not give a f*ck and start living life as you'd want to. Rick defines life and lives it in the way he wants to. We strive for that level of freedom. In fact, that's the reason we all wake up in the morning.

  • BlackBoarPL says:

    In the case of the Punisher, much like with Sons of Anarchy, I see things a bit differently. The characters do things we usually consider wrong, but (with a few exceptions on SoA), they only do it to people that are represented as undoubtedly evil and much worse morally than the protagonists. Basicly, they can be cruel and violent, but only to people who have done something to deserve it, while they are very good to their families and friends. Seeing the "assholes" as being bad not because they want to, but because they are forced to in order to fight something even worse makes it easier to sympathize with them.

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